Kucinich: Catholic Voters Forum, Derry NH
Photos
Dennis Kucinich might be completely unfamiliar with irony.
I arrived early, and there was a priest talking to some people about the relatively small voice that Catholics play in American politics, urging Catholics to speak with one voice. If you are wondering what Dennis Kucinich was doing here, you weren't alone. The room was already buzzing with questions about how Dennis Kucinich could be pro-choice and still maintain that he is a Catholic.
The room was mostly older voters. I saw relatively few young people until Kucinich's "opening act" arrived. It was a guy and a girl, newlyweds whose honeymoon was to cross the country with Dennis Kucinich. They performed a mixture of beat box rapping with hindu "ohm's" and drones generated through a sampler that he had strapped to his belt. His acappella stylings were less rap, and more like Buddhist chanting: "By replacing the patrioooooooot aaaaaact/ we can take our liiiiberty baaaaaack." An old man in the front row looked dismayed for the entire duration of the performance, which lasted a full half hour. Say what you want about mantras putting the mind at peace, all I can tell you is that by the end of the event, the old man was yelling at other people's kids to sit down and be quiet. The thing is, the newlyweds were happy people, probably the happiest people in the room. For all the weaknesses of a candidate who is oblivious to irony, when it is right there and completely unashamed of itself, there's a definite strength to it. These people didn't give a shit if you thought they looked like assholes, they were happy.
Dennis Kucinich was finally introduced by a Priest who spoke at great length about the tragedy of Abortion, how Catholics had no voice in the Democratic party, how more people were slaughtered by abortion than by the last three wars combined. Then, ladies and gentlemen: Give it up for Mr. Dennis Kucinich, darling of the extreme left!
Kucinich has the liability of changing his pro-life position in the middle of his political career, standing up for Gay Marriage in the religious sense, and not merely the purely secular "civil unions". While all of this makes perfect sense to me, a great deal of the justification for these stands seems to get lost when you deliver them to a room full of Politically Mobilized Catholics.
The good news for Kucinich is that the Pro-Life contingent of the Catholic Church is not merely against abortion, but also against the Death Penalty and War. Abortion is not the entire issue of a "pro-life" ideology. The complexity may have helped Dennis Kucinich politically, but Dennis Kucinich does not seem interested in exploiting political handicaps. Instead, he basically stood on stage, delivered one of the best speeches I've ever heard from a politician on the issue of spirituality, and then proceeded to talk almost exclusively about abortion.
The Kucinich stand on abortion: The rights of a woman cannot be taken away. They are constitutionally protected, and to remove the right to a medical procedure is making women into second class citizens. Instead, Kucinich argued, we need to keep abortion open as a choice, but work on addressing the fundamental issues that lead to abortions in the first place. This, Kucinich argued (to a room full of Catholics) could only be achieved by the Vatican-friendly policies of early sex education and access to birth control.
The room was not entirely silent, but how many people clapping were Kucinich supporters vs Catholics is hard to really tell. When Former Boston Mayor and Ambassador to the Vatican, Ray Flynn, (a Democrat) stood up, he argued that he vehemently opposed Mr. Kucinich's position, and said that there ought to be at least one Democratic Candidate that could stand up and declare themselves pro-life. Flynn wrapped up his speech by declaring that "what is good for your Catholic Faith is good for America".
Then came the Q and A. "What you're saying is fundamentally opposed to the Dogmatic teaching of the Catholic Church!" There was no question mark involved. Kucinich addressed this by saying that he didn't claim to represent the Catholic Church, but that he represented Catholic laity and that the issue of Abortion could not simply be addressed by who's in and who's out.
The next "question" was a man who stood up, rambled a bit about his support for the war, and then concluded by saying, "A woman may have the right to choose, but she must also submit to God's will." That God's will also happens to be that guy's will didn't seem to strike him as a little bit too convenient. I'm not a big fan of men standing up and declaring what women should submit to, but that's me. Next question: "When you're a mother like I am, you know when the baby starts kicking you that it's a for real life."
The Priest had to go to the podium and explain that Mr. Kucinich had already made his statements on abortion known, and so has the Catholic Church, and requested that we try to move on from the subject. Next question, please?
"Do you think you're a Catholic in good standing?" This woman claimed to sense hesitation in his support for abortion, and wondered if he had surrendered what he believed in his heart in order to succeed politically. Kucinich felt the issue was too divisive, that people needed to have the right to choose, but needed to find a way to reduce abortions without resorting to an outright ban. The woman responded that she couldn't vote for him or any Democratic candidate because she was a Catholic and followed the Catholic doctrine.
Kucinich started snapping back. He explained that he embraced the basic principles of human kindness, of workers, of the poor, that he was against the war and wanted to address issues of violence at all levels of our society, from spousal abuse onward. "If you're going to judge me based on my view of abortion, then you know what? You're not going to have a Democratic candidate for the nomination." The woman walked away, shaking her head.
When he was asked about birth control his feistiness seemed to linger. "We can talk about abstinence all we want, but we're also going to be talking about teen pregnancy." He said that people who advocated abstinence education at the behest of distributing birth control had their "heads in the sand." That went over real well.
I talked to a campaign worker and told them that this was the definition of trial by fire. She just stared at the line of questioners with her jaw wide open. I knew Kucinich's itinerary, and he had another event at 12:30. It was 12:30. Despite the line of Catholics going toward the microphone on a crusade for the unborn, Dennis had to leave. Some people shook his hand, thanking him for standing up for their rights. Other people ignored him and talked to Ray Flynn. That anyone was willing to approach him and shake his hand from that crowd was a feat.
Kucinich may be a candidate oblivious to political irony and detachment. He might be a guy who brings a chart to a radio debate to show to Howard Dean, and not understand why it's funny. But that also translates to his performance today. In a situation where you would expect weasel words to fly out of any politicians mouth, back pedalling and cheap accolades, Kucinich said it straight. Boiled down, "This is what I believe in, and I am going to explain why, and at the end of my speech maybe you'll change the views you've probably held for longer than some of my supporters have been alive."
While Dennis Kucinich has no operant understanding of irony, it may work for him. Certainly he's the last candidate to drive around in a white minivan. Certainly he's the only candidate that would send hippies with a flute and a digital sampler face first into a crowd of 50 year old Catholics to rap about his trade policies. He comes across as delusional about his own candidacy. But while he's oblivious to why these things don't make sense, his obliviousness is somewhat earned. What is cynicism doing to our idea of politics, and why should we give in to that? Why can't we get out of NAFTA and the WTO? Why can't we bring Dogmatic Catholics into the Democratic party based on the idea of tolerance?
Cynicism can be a good thing. Democracy works best when its citizens are cynical, and it is empty idealism, I think, that lends the Republican Spectacle so much support. Americans want to believe they are good without a shred of effort, good by virtue of being Americans. Bush may give America ample opportunity to be blessed by their victimhood on September 11th, but Dennis Kucinich is looking at liberation the hard way, the ridiculous way, the completely fucking unabashedly liberal way. If on the way to that goal he looks ridiculous to everyone except himself, maybe he knows he's right on a level that most of us can't even find.
Dennis Kucinich might be completely unfamiliar with irony.
I arrived early, and there was a priest talking to some people about the relatively small voice that Catholics play in American politics, urging Catholics to speak with one voice. If you are wondering what Dennis Kucinich was doing here, you weren't alone. The room was already buzzing with questions about how Dennis Kucinich could be pro-choice and still maintain that he is a Catholic.
The room was mostly older voters. I saw relatively few young people until Kucinich's "opening act" arrived. It was a guy and a girl, newlyweds whose honeymoon was to cross the country with Dennis Kucinich. They performed a mixture of beat box rapping with hindu "ohm's" and drones generated through a sampler that he had strapped to his belt. His acappella stylings were less rap, and more like Buddhist chanting: "By replacing the patrioooooooot aaaaaact/ we can take our liiiiberty baaaaaack." An old man in the front row looked dismayed for the entire duration of the performance, which lasted a full half hour. Say what you want about mantras putting the mind at peace, all I can tell you is that by the end of the event, the old man was yelling at other people's kids to sit down and be quiet. The thing is, the newlyweds were happy people, probably the happiest people in the room. For all the weaknesses of a candidate who is oblivious to irony, when it is right there and completely unashamed of itself, there's a definite strength to it. These people didn't give a shit if you thought they looked like assholes, they were happy.
Dennis Kucinich was finally introduced by a Priest who spoke at great length about the tragedy of Abortion, how Catholics had no voice in the Democratic party, how more people were slaughtered by abortion than by the last three wars combined. Then, ladies and gentlemen: Give it up for Mr. Dennis Kucinich, darling of the extreme left!
Kucinich has the liability of changing his pro-life position in the middle of his political career, standing up for Gay Marriage in the religious sense, and not merely the purely secular "civil unions". While all of this makes perfect sense to me, a great deal of the justification for these stands seems to get lost when you deliver them to a room full of Politically Mobilized Catholics.
The good news for Kucinich is that the Pro-Life contingent of the Catholic Church is not merely against abortion, but also against the Death Penalty and War. Abortion is not the entire issue of a "pro-life" ideology. The complexity may have helped Dennis Kucinich politically, but Dennis Kucinich does not seem interested in exploiting political handicaps. Instead, he basically stood on stage, delivered one of the best speeches I've ever heard from a politician on the issue of spirituality, and then proceeded to talk almost exclusively about abortion.
The Kucinich stand on abortion: The rights of a woman cannot be taken away. They are constitutionally protected, and to remove the right to a medical procedure is making women into second class citizens. Instead, Kucinich argued, we need to keep abortion open as a choice, but work on addressing the fundamental issues that lead to abortions in the first place. This, Kucinich argued (to a room full of Catholics) could only be achieved by the Vatican-friendly policies of early sex education and access to birth control.
The room was not entirely silent, but how many people clapping were Kucinich supporters vs Catholics is hard to really tell. When Former Boston Mayor and Ambassador to the Vatican, Ray Flynn, (a Democrat) stood up, he argued that he vehemently opposed Mr. Kucinich's position, and said that there ought to be at least one Democratic Candidate that could stand up and declare themselves pro-life. Flynn wrapped up his speech by declaring that "what is good for your Catholic Faith is good for America".
Then came the Q and A. "What you're saying is fundamentally opposed to the Dogmatic teaching of the Catholic Church!" There was no question mark involved. Kucinich addressed this by saying that he didn't claim to represent the Catholic Church, but that he represented Catholic laity and that the issue of Abortion could not simply be addressed by who's in and who's out.
The next "question" was a man who stood up, rambled a bit about his support for the war, and then concluded by saying, "A woman may have the right to choose, but she must also submit to God's will." That God's will also happens to be that guy's will didn't seem to strike him as a little bit too convenient. I'm not a big fan of men standing up and declaring what women should submit to, but that's me. Next question: "When you're a mother like I am, you know when the baby starts kicking you that it's a for real life."
The Priest had to go to the podium and explain that Mr. Kucinich had already made his statements on abortion known, and so has the Catholic Church, and requested that we try to move on from the subject. Next question, please?
"Do you think you're a Catholic in good standing?" This woman claimed to sense hesitation in his support for abortion, and wondered if he had surrendered what he believed in his heart in order to succeed politically. Kucinich felt the issue was too divisive, that people needed to have the right to choose, but needed to find a way to reduce abortions without resorting to an outright ban. The woman responded that she couldn't vote for him or any Democratic candidate because she was a Catholic and followed the Catholic doctrine.
Kucinich started snapping back. He explained that he embraced the basic principles of human kindness, of workers, of the poor, that he was against the war and wanted to address issues of violence at all levels of our society, from spousal abuse onward. "If you're going to judge me based on my view of abortion, then you know what? You're not going to have a Democratic candidate for the nomination." The woman walked away, shaking her head.
When he was asked about birth control his feistiness seemed to linger. "We can talk about abstinence all we want, but we're also going to be talking about teen pregnancy." He said that people who advocated abstinence education at the behest of distributing birth control had their "heads in the sand." That went over real well.
I talked to a campaign worker and told them that this was the definition of trial by fire. She just stared at the line of questioners with her jaw wide open. I knew Kucinich's itinerary, and he had another event at 12:30. It was 12:30. Despite the line of Catholics going toward the microphone on a crusade for the unborn, Dennis had to leave. Some people shook his hand, thanking him for standing up for their rights. Other people ignored him and talked to Ray Flynn. That anyone was willing to approach him and shake his hand from that crowd was a feat.
Kucinich may be a candidate oblivious to political irony and detachment. He might be a guy who brings a chart to a radio debate to show to Howard Dean, and not understand why it's funny. But that also translates to his performance today. In a situation where you would expect weasel words to fly out of any politicians mouth, back pedalling and cheap accolades, Kucinich said it straight. Boiled down, "This is what I believe in, and I am going to explain why, and at the end of my speech maybe you'll change the views you've probably held for longer than some of my supporters have been alive."
While Dennis Kucinich has no operant understanding of irony, it may work for him. Certainly he's the last candidate to drive around in a white minivan. Certainly he's the only candidate that would send hippies with a flute and a digital sampler face first into a crowd of 50 year old Catholics to rap about his trade policies. He comes across as delusional about his own candidacy. But while he's oblivious to why these things don't make sense, his obliviousness is somewhat earned. What is cynicism doing to our idea of politics, and why should we give in to that? Why can't we get out of NAFTA and the WTO? Why can't we bring Dogmatic Catholics into the Democratic party based on the idea of tolerance?
Cynicism can be a good thing. Democracy works best when its citizens are cynical, and it is empty idealism, I think, that lends the Republican Spectacle so much support. Americans want to believe they are good without a shred of effort, good by virtue of being Americans. Bush may give America ample opportunity to be blessed by their victimhood on September 11th, but Dennis Kucinich is looking at liberation the hard way, the ridiculous way, the completely fucking unabashedly liberal way. If on the way to that goal he looks ridiculous to everyone except himself, maybe he knows he's right on a level that most of us can't even find.
